IndianaRunner

[RegionGuy]

Held at Lake Central.

Portage-Valpo-Lake Central
The course was not well marked, and several runners in the Boys race were disqualified, and the finish was confusing as to who was actually winning.

Boys
Valpo 24 - Lake Central 33
Valpo 18 - Portage 44
Lake Central 18 - Portage 38

Top 2
1 Peyton Reed 16:16
2 Ari Coulopoulos 16:35
Not sure after the top 2, because of the disqualifications.


Girls
Valpo 21 - Lake Central 34
Valpo 24 - Portage 33
Lake Central 27 - Portage 31

Top 5
1 Katelyn DeVries Valparaiso 19:15
2 Shelby Carroll Lake Central 19:25
3 Alison Mundell Valparaiso 19:38
4 Terra Norman Portage 19:52
5 Paige Pizer Portage 19:55

[Flo-Rida]

Amazing. I ran back at Lake Central 7 years ago and we also added about a half mile onto the race.

[RoadRunner]

Date of meet (wasn't included in subject heading)?

[Flo-Rida]

9/20

DAC meets on Tuesdays

[RoadRunner]

9/20

DAC meets on Tuesdays

I know, wasn't sure if this was a recent meet or from a prior week.

[DACFan93]

Meet was yesterday

1 743 Reed, Peyton 11 Valparaiso 16:16.00 1
2 719 Coulopoulos, Ari 10 Valparaiso 16:35.00 2
3 663 Keith, Josh 12 Lake Central 17:09.00
4 667 Lopacki, Nick 11 Lake Central 17:11.00
5 677 Thompson, Alex 12 Lake Central 17:29.00
6 694 Hudson, Tylor 9 Portage 17:39.00 3
7 713 Alfredson, Corey 10 Valparaiso 17:39.00 4
8 736 Meyer, Tim 11 Valparaiso 17:42.00 5
9 722 Davison, Landon 11 Valparaiso 17:51.00 6
10 674 Rech, Josh 10 Lake Central 17:52.00
11 715 Banks, Murray 12 Valparaiso 17:55.00 7
12 693 Huber, Tim 11 Portage 17:55.00 8
13 725 Galligan, Jordan 11 Valparaiso 17:56.00 9
14 664 Kline, Kelly 11 Lake Central 17:59.00
15 716 Bisacchi, Taylor 11 Valparaiso 18:00.00
16 738 Molina, George 12 Valparaiso 18:00.00
17 681 Balboa, Dustin 10 Portage 18:02.00 10
18 688 Clegg, David 10 Portage 18:03.00 11
19 656 Albright, Chris 11 Lake Central 18:07.00
20 724 Finley, Drew 10 Valparaiso 18:10.00
21 683 Best, Anthony 10 Portage 18:12.00 12
22 734 Mangel, Kevin 10 Valparaiso 18:15.00
23 676 St.John, Brian 9 Lake Central 18:16.00
24 698 Logsdon, Dylan 11 Portage 18:19.00 13
25 658 Bouma, Mitch 11 Lake Central 18:19.00
26 696 Lamoing, Cory 12 Portage 18:23.00 14
27 731 Jankowski, Andrew 10 Valparaiso 18:28.00
28 673 Rech, Jeromy 12 Lake Central 18:30.00
29 740 Palin, Oscar 10 Valparaiso 18:33.00
30 692 Heimberg, Nick 9 Portage 18:40.00
31 723 Devine, Connor 10 Valparaiso 18:42.00
32 711 Tribble, Gimel 10 Portage 18:44.00
33 706 Stelmack, Nick 9 Portage 18:46.00
34 700 Marinez, Mauricio 10 Portage 18:52.00
35 729 Hardesty, Zach 10 Valparaiso 18:55.00
36 661 Flores, Emmanuel 12 Lake Central 18:56.00
37 746 Sandberg, Adam 10 Valparaiso 19:01.00
38 745 Ritzi, Connor 10 Valparaiso 19:03.00
39 709 Swets, Zack 11 Portage 19:04.00
40 680 Anguiano, Arthur 12 Portage 19:05.00
41 687 Chenowith, Colin 9 Portage 19:07.00
42 732 Kahrs, Andy 11 Valparaiso 19:08.00
43 728 Halfman, Robert 11 Valparaiso 19:08.00
44 690 Galvan, Jacob 9 Portage 19:09.00
45 662 Gustas, Daniel 10 Lake Central 19:10.00
46 742 Ranegar, Daniel 9 Valparaiso 19:13.00
47 754 Workman, Dylan 9 Valparaiso 19:13.00
48 684 Blackwell, Emilio 10 Portage 19:14.00
49 733 Kroll, Zach 9 Valparaiso 19:15.00
50 699 Maples, Garrett 10 Portage 19:19.00
51 702 Mendoza, Jeremy 11 Portage 19:24.00
52 748 Schwartz, Tyler 11 Valparaiso 19:32.00
53 697 Laramie, A.J. 11 Portage 19:33.00
54 675 Spanier, Matt 11 Lake Central 19:36.00
55 741 Perez, Jerry 9 Valparaiso 19:38.00
56 671 Paulas, Joe 9 Lake Central 19:40.00
57 669 Newell, Blake 9 Lake Central 19:41.00
58 682 Barrozo, Rigo 9 Portage 19:43.00
59 735 Marciniak, Josh 11 Valparaiso 19:43.00
60 668 Messman, Indy-Han 10 Lake Central 19:45.00
61 704 Schaefer, Aaron 9 Portage 19:45.00
62 705 Sorenson, Kaeron 10 Portage 20:00.00
63 691 Glover, Kendall 10 Portage 20:03.00
64 721 Davidson, Camden 9 Valparaiso 20:05.00
65 752 Warner, Joe 9 Valparaiso 20:10.00
66 666 Long, Brandon 9 Lake Central 20:14.00
67 660 Buckman, Michael 12 Lake Central 20:22.00
68 678 Wiessbeck, Josh 9 Lake Central 20:26.00
69 689 Coleman, Louis 10 Portage 20:30.00
70 695 Janes, Thomas 10 Portage 20:47.00
71 739 Neis, Rainer 9 Valparaiso 20:54.00
72 672 Prisby, Kyle 11 Lake Central 21:05.00
73 747 Schenk, Bob 9 Valparaiso 21:07.00
74 665 Lane, Andy 10 Lake Central 21:34.00
75 726 Halfman, John 11 Valparaiso 22:33.00
76 727 Halfman, Mark 11 Valparaiso 22:37.00
77 753 Westmoreland, Daniel 12 Valparaiso 22:55.00

[Bumstead]

With the DAC conference meet at Lake Central on October 1, hopefully they can figure out how to mark the course reasonably or at least have officials out there ( ), so that the runners can decide the race instead of the "find Waldo" approach that had to be taken at this meet...

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[RegionGuy]

I agree with you Bumstead. They need to make sure the course is freshly marked, and have officials at all of the spots where there is the potential to go off course. While I think the Valpo boys seem to have a lock on the DAC, after Tuesday's results, I think LC, CP, Port, Valpo and maybe Chesterton can win the DAC by winning the meet on Oct. 1. I would hate to see the DAC decided based on runners making a wrong turn.

[DAC]

I agree with you Bumstead. They need to make sure the course is freshly marked, and have officials at all of the spots where there is the potential to go off course. While I think the Valpo boys seem to have a lock on the DAC, after Tuesday's results, I think LC, CP, Port, Valpo and maybe Chesterton can win the DAC by winning the meet on Oct. 1. I would hate to see the DAC decided based on runners making a wrong turn.

This is not accurate info. The dual meet season is over and counted for 1/3 conference champion. The DAC meet next Saturday counts for 2/3. Dual meet record awards 8pts for 1st, 7 pts for 2nd,...1pt for 8th. Valpo is obviously not going to be threatened with maybe five to seven runners expected to earn all conf. top 12.
8: Valpo 7-0
7: LP 6-1
6: CP 5-2
4.5: CH 4-3
4.5: LC 4-3
3: PO 2-5
2: MC 1-6
1: ME 0-7

If you are in the top 3, you can at least share the championship by earning 1st place and the 16pts (double reg. season). That is in theory though since Valpo is as big as a lock as you can get.

[Bumstead]

I agree with you Bumstead. They need to make sure the course is freshly marked, and have officials at all of the spots where there is the potential to go off course. While I think the Valpo boys seem to have a lock on the DAC, after Tuesday's results, I think LC, CP, Port, Valpo and maybe Chesterton can win the DAC by winning the meet on Oct. 1. I would hate to see the DAC decided based on runners making a wrong turn.

This is not accurate info. The dual meet season is over and counted for 1/3 conference champion. The DAC meet next Saturday counts for 2/3. Dual meet record awards 8pts for 1st, 7 pts for 2nd,...1pt for 8th. Valpo is obviously not going to be threatened with maybe five to seven runners expected to earn all conf. top 12.
8: Valpo 7-0
7: LP 6-1
6: CP 5-2
4.5: CH 4-3
4.5: LC 4-3
3: PO 2-5
2: MC 1-6
1: ME 0-7

If you are in the top 3, you can at least share the championship by earning 1st place and the 16pts (double reg. season). That is in theory though since Valpo is as big as a lock as you can get.

At least 3 of Valpo's top 7 were DQ'd...that wouldn't work for the DAC...I assume something will be done by the officials of the race to correct the issue for the conference race though.

[DAC]

I guess if more than 2 get disqualified, they would lose. Do you really see that happening again? There is a long history of very good DAC runners going the wrong way on that course. I thought that has mostly been solved when the girls went to 5K and some paths were able to be roped off.

[Bumstead]

I left after the boys race...I would hope that wouldn't happen again. I can see it in a weekend 5K where the markings are suspect but I really don't understand it in a HS race (barring a kid completely losing his/her focus and going off course). The courses should be clearly marked or officials should be placed in the proper areas to keep the kids on the correct course. The kids should decide the races, not their ability to find the course.

The course is certainly interesting and I did enjoy watching the race from in the woods and on the soccer practice field.

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[dooniexc]

The course is still suspect if marked correctly, having shorter than recommended starting and finishing straights. Even when marked it could be difficult to discern, since some turns you go through multiple times and multiple directions.

A few years ago, it was the PNC Michigan City course that everyone got lost on. Even when they marked the turns, you could come into a field and see several different colored flags ahead. Pick the wrong one and you get bonus mileage.

[Drake]

Amazing. My teammate Keith Ludwig and I got lost on this course while leading in 2004...wanna know the best part? There was a gator that took us the wrong way!

Maybe they will figure it out eventually.

[Trembo3578]

Having ran there for 4 years I can agree that much better markings could be made. But I also think it's kind of funny though, I was informed from a participant of the race that valpo's team walked the course, and then ran it for their warmup. How many times do you need to go through a course before you can remember it without needing someone to point you in the right direction at every turn?

[Bumstead]

Having ran there for 4 years I can agree that much better markings could be made. But I also think it's kind of funny though, I was informed from a participant of the race that valpo's team walked the course, and then ran it for their warmup. How many times do you need to go through a course before you can remember it without needing someone to point you in the right direction at every turn?

Uh...it wasn't just Valpo kids that got "lost." It's like a corn maize with all the paths intermingling. It would be pretty easy for HS kids to get confused, especially if the runner in front of them goes the wrong way. Obviously I am the parent of a HS kid and I know how much they "pay attention" to what is going on around them, but still, Valpo hasn't gotten off track on any other course, so I don't think it is the kids. I imagine running that course for 4 years, you would figure it out; running it 2-3 times in 4 years, not so much (at least the way it was marked for the boys race)...nice home field advantage I guess...Like I said, it's an interesting course, but it needs to be marked better so that the runners can determine the winner; although Valpo still won. In short, I fail to see the humor.

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[Valpo85]

Lake Central should not be allowed to host the DAC meet. The course itself isn't bad from a runner's standpoint, but it is NOT fan friendly at all. Parking is terrible. The start-finish areas, as mentioned, aren't very long. And now that I'm seeing there is a history of kids getting lost on the course, even with a Gator leading the way, makes me feel even more strongly that it should not be held there.

The DAC meet should rotate between Woodland Park, Sunset Hill and possibly Lemon Lake - not only from the standpoint of being good courses for the runners and fans, but also from a location standpoint (although it is a haul to get out to Lemon Lake, even for CP people).

It's not fair to make LaPorte and Michigan City kids to make a road trip that far for the biggest race of the conference season.

[RegionCrossFan]

LC's course, despite being confusing, is actually a pretty fun course to run, but I can understand what you are saying. Logistically, it has some issues. It is NOT fan friendly at all and there just is not to much room around there. I am sure LC will take care of all the problems they experienced this week. I am sure it is a pain in the you know what to host these events, so I am sure that's why it rotates between all the schools. I know I wouldn't want to do all that work.

[floydcc]

Amazing. I ran back at Lake Central 7 years ago and we also added about a half mile onto the race.

Portage, LC, Merrillville meet??? The one where my boy Ryan Michaels passed out in a ditch??? That was a good time. And yes a gator also took us the wrong way in that meet as well.

[DAC]

Mike Fout got lost there his senior year. He ended up placing somewhere around 15 - 20.

[floydcc]

Lake Central should not be allowed to host the DAC meet. The course itself isn't bad from a runner's standpoint, but it is NOT fan friendly at all. Parking is terrible. The start-finish areas, as mentioned, aren't very long. And now that I'm seeing there is a history of kids getting lost on the course, even with a Gator leading the way, makes me feel even more strongly that it should not be held there.

The DAC meet should rotate between Woodland Park, Sunset Hill and possibly Lemon Lake - not only from the standpoint of being good courses for the runners and fans, but also from a location standpoint (although it is a haul to get out to Lemon Lake, even for CP people).

It's not fair to make LaPorte and Michigan City kids to make a road trip that far for the biggest race of the conference season.

I disagree with this sentiment. Although Lake central is one of my least favorite courses I ever ran while in high school. I think that all schools should have the opportunity to host the meet if they want. I love lemon lake and sunset hills (don't know much about the new courses there) but the old Chest course and old valpo course we ok. But to make schools like CP, LC and Merr travel out to some schools could be argued is unfair as well.

I think that although it is a big meet in terms of the conference, in the scheme of things it really is not a big meet.

To be fair, when I was a senior (the last time LC hosted to my knowledge) it was a very organized meet that ran smoothly. They came through when it mattered, and to be fair I do not know who was driving the gator back in 2004 when I was led the wrong way. If something goes wrong saturday then you might be able to complain. But Rudy and Rhody know how to run a great meet and they will run a fine meet this saturday.

[Bumstead]

The meet is October 1st. Is that a guarantee? Zero for one so far this year....4 years ago...who cares...it mattered on Tuesday and it matters on October 1. Every meet should be well run not just the conference championship...I don't mind each school rotating the meet, but if you don't have the room or the inclination to mark the course or place officials out there, move it some place where you have enough room for a 5K course. Done with this and moving on to Culver! Valpo will be under-appreciated there just like they were heading to New Prairie...

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[floydcc]

To be honest, this tuesday did not matter. I do not want to rehash the tuesday meet argument but they are pointless and the majority of the coaches in the DAC would probably agree. And yes I am aware the 1/3 of the conference meet standings is decided by Dual meet records but it is outdated and kept around because of the AD's.

The teams who should have won (on the men's side), did. period. If it happens again saturday you can rub it in the anonymous faces of everyone here but let's be real, it happens. and it did happen. I was not there so I can't speculate or speak to why it happened. But this Saturday it won't happen and that is a guarantee.. quote me I don't care. There will be fierce competition, the course will be well marked and there will be some fast times. But truthfully this meet will not matter either. Sure some teams want to win a conference meet but after the season is over do you think teams are going to hang their hat on that. I am sure they will be more worried about post-season meets.

If you are able to watch the race or compete in it this weekend, you are a lucky one. Enjoy it.