IndianaRunner

[TommyJohnSurgery]

Alright, at the end of the season, time for people to own up to some of the stupid things they've said throughout the season. Here are a collection of some of the things I found. Be sure to post your own. I called myself at first for good measure...

“We don't want to hear from the Hamilton Southeastern Runners and all their attempted humor at glorifying their guys. You can start making jokes when you advance from the section. Boom. Roasted.” –TommyJohnSurgery
Good call. Hamilton Southeastern not only advanced out of the sectional, they qualified for the state finals and finished 8th. In your face!

“If Carmel does not when at Semi State they must have only lost by a small margin. Carmel has been improving all year. (Columbus) North has not they were at their peak at Martinsville. They have just stayed there if not gotten worse.” –UpNorthXC
Great. Not only did you use the wrong "when", you couldn't have been more far off. Is 60 points at the semistate considered a small margin?

(Comparing ’07 Fishers to ’08 Carmel to ’09 North Central) “All very dominant teams in thier year. If there was a time machince how would this match up play out?” –Tinkerbell
You made this thread nine weeks before the state meet, though you were correct. All those teams were dominant in their years, if your calendar had all the months after August cut off.

(Predicting state meet top five) “1. James Martin
2. Tyler Byrne
3. Scott Vicenzi
4. Futsum
5. Jason Crist” –lifesgood
Hey, Vicenzi did get third.

“Franklin Central is the team to beat. There's an outside chance the Flashes could go 1-2 at the state meet, though Payonk should prevent that from happening.” –Colin
You praise yourself for being the "driving force" behind girls coverage and claim to be this great analyst, but no one ever calls you out for saying stupid things like this. The only person that break up FC's 1-2 finish is Dana Payonk? What about Tapring Goatee? And how can you mess up this team prediction? Aren't you the the assistant coach for the team that won? Use your resources!

“They finally have 4 guys under 17:00. With a 1,2 punch of Ricker and O'Herren they will be scoring super low points in the tournament for them. I would say most likely only 10-15 points out of the top 2 spots.
Running as a pack Zionsville and WC have been all year may end up hurting them once the tournament starts. NO low score for an individual will cost them.” –boilertrack
This statement ignores the fact that Cathedral was also a great pack team at the Semistate. I heard they were all packed up, cheering for O'Herron around the two mile mark.

[drew]

I'm not sure if this thread will catch on but...

Right before Culver I said Cown Point and Valpo shouldn't be in the top 10 on the Coach's poll... Not even in the top 15 I believe is what I said...

So um... Crown Point finished 6th and Valpo 8th... Had I kept my mouth shut until after Culver I would have known better. Both had GREAT second halves to the season.

[WarriorXC09]

I don't have the exact quote, but I do remeber posting something in the way of..."Hendershot is good, but not that good, I doubt he will get top 10 or even top 15 at state...times have improved too much, and he has not improved much at all, he will have a chance to make top 25, but not in the top 10.

Nathan Hendershot finished 7th...boy was I wrong, my sincerest apologies to Mr. Hendershot, u handled the mud better than alot of runners out there

[boilertrack]

[quote="They finally have 4 guys under 17:00. With a 1,2 punch of Ricker and O'Herren they will be scoring super low points in the tournament for them. I would say most likely only 10-15 points out of the top 2 spots.
Running as a pack Zionsville and WC have been all year may end up hurting them once the tournament starts. NO low score for an individual will cost them.” –boilertrack
This statement ignores the fact that Cathedral was also a great pack team at the Semistate. I heard they were all packed up, cheering for O'Herron around the two mile mark.[/quote]


The statement is correct. If the Irish would have stayed healthy they would have been able to advance thru the Brebeuf Regional and possibly the Semi-State. Ricker was sicker than a dog for Sectionals and Regionals. Still had the courage to run. Giving it all trying his best for his team. Will Bond was also sick for Sectionals and not yet at 100% for Regionals but gave it a try.

[DayRunner]

[quote="They finally have 4 guys under 17:00. With a 1,2 punch of Ricker and O'Herren they will be scoring super low points in the tournament for them. I would say most likely only 10-15 points out of the top 2 spots.
Running as a pack Zionsville and WC have been all year may end up hurting them once the tournament starts. NO low score for an individual will cost them.” –boilertrack
This statement ignores the fact that Cathedral was also a great pack team at the Semistate. I heard they were all packed up, cheering for O'Herron around the two mile mark.

The statement is correct. If the Irish would have stayed healthy they would have been able to advance thru the Brebeuf Regional and possibly the Semi-State. Ricker was sicker than a dog for Sectionals and Regionals. Still had the courage to run. Giving it all trying his best for his team. Will Bond was also sick for Sectionals and not yet at 100% for Regionals but gave it a try.[/quote]

You do realize that EVERY team was running sick throughout this tournament?

[boilertrack]

I know that must teams were not at 100% for some part of the tournament with illness. However most teams did not go thru the Brebeuf Regional where you needed to be at your best or as close to your best to advance. Just saying that if Cathedral would have stayed healthy they would have advanced.

[DayRunner]

I know that must teams were not at 100% for some part of the tournament with illness. However most teams did not go thru the Brebeuf Regional where you needed to be at your best or as close to your best to advance. Just saying that if Cathedral would have stayed healthy they would have advanced.

Better chance... Yes. Guarantee... No. Cathedral did lose to HSE at the Flashrock Invitational (perhaps they were sick there as well?), who was the #4 team in this race. I am sure those other teams that did advance also were running sick.

[boilertrack]

HSE did beat Cathedral at Flashrock. Cathedral beat HSE at the State Preview meet.
Going into the tournament Cathedral had 4 guys under 17:00 and 4 guys between 17:05 and 17:15.
Just saying if they would not have gotten sick they would have advanced thru Regionals and possibly thru Semi-State. They would have had super low points out of 2 runners that would have been good enough to get them thru. With that said it did not happen and is a mute point.
Things could get more interesting next year for cross country. I heard a rumor the reallignment is going to happen.

[NikeRunner27]

[quote="They finally have 4 guys under 17:00. With a 1,2 punch of Ricker and O'Herren they will be scoring super low points in the tournament for them. I would say most likely only 10-15 points out of the top 2 spots.
Running as a pack Zionsville and WC have been all year may end up hurting them once the tournament starts. NO low score for an individual will cost them.” –boilertrack
This statement ignores the fact that Cathedral was also a great pack team at the Semistate. I heard they were all packed up, cheering for O'Herron around the two mile mark.

The statement is correct. If the Irish would have stayed healthy they would have been able to advance thru the Brebeuf Regional and possibly the Semi-State. Ricker was sicker than a dog for Sectionals and Regionals. Still had the courage to run. Giving it all trying his best for his team. Will Bond was also sick for Sectionals and not yet at 100% for Regionals but gave it a try.[/quote]

I am going to have to disagree with your statement about Cathedral advancing through Regionals and possible even Semi-State. Yeah sure they had Halen O'Herren, yeah sure they had JR Ricker. They had a great 1-2 punch when they both are 100% healthy but that only gets you so far. Zionsville and HSE are just to strong and depth with there middle pack, when Cathedral lacks in that. The Irish had a good team this but not well even to advance through the hardest Regional/ Semi State in State even with everyone is 100% healthy, which will never be the case, specially on a seaosn like this.

[FearlessHyena]

Things could get more interesting next year for cross country. I heard a rumor the reallignment is going to happen.

It will be interesting to see what is discussed regarding this at the IATCCC cross country clinic this weekend.

[boilertrack]

The Irish healthy would have had 5 guys under 17:00 and 2 around a 17:10 or so.
They would have had 2 in the top 5 to 10 and then #3 jack kelly around a 16:25 or so and Elliott P and Will Bond around 16:50.
My thoughts that healthy they would have been the #5 team from Regionals and battling for the #5 or #6 spot at Semi-State. That did not happen and we all move on. So it will be interesting to see how all the teams do next year and what will happen if the reallignment happens.

[NikeRunner27]

The Irish healthy would have had 5 guys under 17:00 and 2 around a 17:10 or so.
They would have had 2 in the top 5 to 10 and then #3 jack kelly around a 16:25 or so and Elliott P and Will Bond around 16:50.
My thoughts that healthy they would have been the #5 team from Regionals and battling for the #5 or #6 spot at Semi-State. That did not happen and we all move on. So it will be interesting to see how all the teams do next year and what will happen if the reallignment happens.

Well looks like we know who the Cathedral Fan is here.

[runner1727]

The Irish healthy would have had 5 guys under 17:00 and 2 around a 17:10 or so.
They would have had 2 in the top 5 to 10 and then #3 jack kelly around a 16:25 or so and Elliott P and Will Bond around 16:50.
My thoughts that healthy they would have been the #5 team from Regionals and battling for the #5 or #6 spot at Semi-State. That did not happen and we all move on. So it will be interesting to see how all the teams do next year and what will happen if the reallignment happens.

It looks as though you are saying that Cathedral would have been at their best for regionals and semi-state because Jack Kelly's PR is 16:28, and Bond and Parshall were barely under 17. Well, let's just assume that every team in the Carmel Semi-State was at their best. You are correct that Cathedral's 1-2 punch would help them greatly, but HSE would put 5 in front of Cathedral's Kelly. Also, Zionsville's number 1 through 4 men would 16:10 to 16:17 with their number five man at 16:31. I just don't think there is any way Cathedral would have beaten either of those two teams. I'm not even sure if Cathedral would have beaten LN. At their best, LN had Josh Roche at 16:05, Zach Grese at 16:09, Scott Stanley at 16:15, and Zach Miller at 16:18. I can't remember what LN's number five man's PR was, but I know it was under 17. So, LN would be able to have a great pack of four in front of Cathedral's 3. I know you are trying to make positives out of the negatives that happened for your team at regionals, but the fact is that nearly every good team (except Columbus North it seems) in the Carmel Semi-State had to overcome some type of illness or bad race at least once this postseason.

[Run_4_Life]

Things could get more interesting next year for cross country. I heard a rumor the reallignment is going to happen.

It will be interesting to see what is discussed regarding this at the IATCCC cross country clinic this weekend.

I fail to see how the realignment would help. If it is the one im thinking of, going to a 3 level tournament? That would just make the Lafayette Jeff regional compleltely stacked.. as much so or more so than the Carmel semi-state.

If only 3 teams, and 3 non-advancing inviduals were to make it out, you would have teams like:

Carmel
West Lafayette
HSE
Westfield
Fishers
Lafayette Jeff (who could be pretty good next year)
thats already quite a few good teams, only 3 of who would make it.

I still think the tournament was good the way it was this year. I know that its kind of stacked down there in indy, but no matter how you change it it will be stacked. Semi-State gives many runners a chance to run longer in the season, and it can be a good goal for some teams to make it to, kind of like a state meet for some. I feel like its fine the way it is.

[Prefonbain]

Add Zionsville in that regional.

The regional set up is not the solution.

[boilertrack]

I heard that CC will follow track with Sectional than Regional than State format. But taking 4 teams from each round and the top 10 individuals.
THe other thing that could be done is what if they create a 5th semi-state that is a floating semi-state. Take 5 teams from each semi-state and top 15 individuals.
That the floating Semi-state would split whatever semi-state has the most/highest ranked teams in it.
SO for this year the Carmel Semi-State would have been split into 2 semi-states.
Than if New Prarie would get strong than the floating semi-state would go up there.

[JustTheMom]

The regional set up is not the solution.

Amen to that!

[FearlessHyena]

Add Zionsville in that regional.

The regional set up is not the solution.

It would be a lot more than those teams mentioned above. The proposed Lafayette Regional would have all of these teams (their rank on last indianarunner poll, 10/12/09):

Avon
Brownsburg (Girls - unranked, but finished 13th at State)
Carmel (Boys - 2nd, Girls - 1st)
Fishers (Boys - 13th, Girls - 25th)
Hamilton Southeastern (Boys - 12th)
Harrison
Lafayette Jefferson
McCutcheon
Noblesville (Boys - 5th, Girls - 5th)
Plainfield
West Lafayette (Boys - 16th)
Westfield (Girls - 12th)
Zionsville (Boys - 8th)

Actually, the more I look at it, the more I'm surprised that every coach who is NOT in this proposed regional did NOT vote for this format because this would immediately take out a lot of top teams that other schools have to face currently at semi-states and at the state championship.

[bwca426]

Back in July I predicted Carlton Moody would make 1st team NIC, and he quit CCa week or so later.

[HotelAZ]

I heard that CC will follow track with Sectional than Regional than State format. But taking 4 teams from each round and the top 10 individuals.
THe other thing that could be done is what if they create a 5th semi-state that is a floating semi-state. Take 5 teams from each semi-state and top 15 individuals.
That the floating Semi-state would split whatever semi-state has the most/highest ranked teams in it.
SO for this year the Carmel Semi-State would have been split into 2 semi-states.
Than if New Prarie would get strong than the floating semi-state would go up there.

If I recall correctly, the proposal eliminating the semi-state and mirroring the track tournament was already turned down by the coaches.

32 teams at state would be alot.

[HotelAZ]

The Irish healthy would have had 5 guys under 17:00 and 2 around a 17:10 or so.
They would have had 2 in the top 5 to 10 and then #3 jack kelly around a 16:25 or so and Elliott P and Will Bond around 16:50.
My thoughts that healthy they would have been the #5 team from Regionals and battling for the #5 or #6 spot at Semi-State. That did not happen and we all move on. So it will be interesting to see how all the teams do next year and what will happen if the reallignment happens.

Well looks like we know who the Cathedral Fan is here.

Actually that is their assistant coach.

[Kent-GuerinXC]

On the topic of HSE and Cathedral, I am convinced that the royals could have beaten a healthy Irish team. Although it would be close I just see the Royals pulling it out. Every race I competed in, the HSE boys sure ran with heart. I don't think they would of lost it then.

[TommyJohnSurgery]

Did someone go through and edit my post by changing the text to lowercase?

[lifesgood]

Actually that is their assistant coach.

coaches post on here?

On the topic of HSE and Cathedral, I am convinced that the royals could have beaten a healthy Irish team. Although it would be close I just see the Royals pulling it out. Every race I competed in, the HSE boys sure ran with heart. I don't think they would of lost it then.

seconded

Did someone go through and edit my post by changing the text to lowercase?

no man, your sig says the capitalization continues until attitudes improve...and they improved

[13sky]

coaches post on here?

I'm sure there are many coaches who post on here (Collin, Prefonbain, Cash...)

I don't know of many who post to hype up their team though...