IndianaRunner

[Jim]

AHHHHH. The rudy and rhody show. Worth price of admission

[ask5614]

My new prediction... A great boys race followed up by a fabulous girls race.

[floydcc]

well since i seem to have gotten deleted, i am also looking forward to the rudy and rhody show, they are something

[Jim]

I thought i was going crazy...I got deleted also!

[floydcc]

you know jim, i think bain has something against us and the rudy and rhody show. i will have to go to butler and set him straight for us

just kidding bain, you know we like you. we go way back to getting harrassed by barker on runs at imagination glen

[regionrunner21]

Barker is the man!! for real...gettin things done in kansas...sorry lets get back to np...gotta love floyd not sure who jim is tho...its all good see u guys tomorrow

[fcommxc12]

osborn wins 15 34

[floydcc]

dylan harrison 3rd 16:06!!!!!!!! told you guys not to underestimate the crown point regional

[WarriorXC09]

dylan harrison 3rd 16:06!!!!!!!! told you guys not to underestimate the crown point regional

You were right, my bad had him 15th. Nice run by Harrison.

[Harbinger]

Heartbreak city for the Chesterton girls team. They would have qualified out but their #1 runner forgot her ankle bracelets.

[niciosbanks]

What happened to Rennselear? I thought they would have done better than 16th.

[ReminiscingRunner]

Heartbreak city for the Chesterton girls team. They would have qualified out but their #1 runner forgot her ankle bracelets.

agreed, it's a horrible way to end a season. Here are the results with Chesterton's top runner today (freshman Melanie Buckmaster - ran the best race of her season) finishing 20th. I had her finishing 18th, and most believed her to be between 18th -21st.

1. CP - 77
2. LC - 95
3. Portage - 145
4. Valpo - 167
5. Culver - 179
6. Chesterton - 188
7. Tri-County - 190
8. Munster - 220
9. Harrison - 233
10. West Lafayette 239

This is not to undermine Tri-County's performance today. These girls ran a great race, and have made tremendous strides throughout the course of this season. Congrats girls.

The Chesterton girls ran a gutsy race today too, really turned some heads. Congrats to you girls as well, you really turned it on today.

[Slappy]

"Ask" and "Warrior" ought to have their privledges revoked for even mentioning that Rensselaer would advance. Seriously? Then they don't put obvious teams (CP and Lowell) in the top 10? Really? Do you guys know anything about running, the history of NW Indiana, or are you the same guys who touted Oak Hill to advance in years past? When did Renn. run with the "big boys" this year? Never. They had the chance to run up in several races but chose not to. If you're going to run with the big dogs in late October, you had better do it in mid-September too! Now, with the flu going around, it made the order of things a little more difficult. But Rennselaer?

[Run_4_Life]

"Ask" and "Warrior" ought to have their privledges revoked for even mentioning that Rensselaer would advance. Seriously? Then they don't put obvious teams (CP and Lowell) in the top 10? Really? Do you guys know anything about running, the history of NW Indiana, or are you the same guys who touted Oak Hill to advance in years past? When did Renn. run with the "big boys" this year? Never. They had the chance to run up in several races but chose not to. If you're going to run with the big dogs in late October, you had better do it in mid-September too! Now, with the flu going around, it made the order of things a little more difficult. But Rennselaer?

The kid was just trying to make some predictions to spark interest and talk on this website, is that so wrong? How many times have you made perfect predictions?? Or how often do you put them out here in public for people to see and criticize. This website doesn't get the same ammount of talk as it used to, he is trying to make a lot of predictions and stuff to see peoples reactions and get them to post on here, to create a bit of discussion. Without his predictions on the NP Semi-State, I'm sure leading up to SS, there wouldn't have been as much talk.

Is it so wrong to think Rensselaer had a legit shot of being top 6 if they had a good day and others had a bad one?
If you take their times from the Hoosier Conference meet (17:04, 17:06, 17:10, 17:22, 17:55) you get an average time of 17:19. Valpo was the 6th place team today with an average time of 17:15. That isn't that much of a difference. And the conference meet those times are take from are a little slow for some of the runners compared to their normal times. I'm pretty sure their #1, #2, and #3 have been under 17:00 this year. I know the conditions weren't that great today, so you could say that Valpo's average time would have been better in better conditions. But on any given day, their are a number of teams that are very capable of doing well. Rensselaer didn't have the best of days... even if they did they might not have made it, doesn't mean they had no shot to advance.

About the "or are you the same guys who touted Oak Hill to advance in years past?" - What happened in the 2005 Cross Country Season? Not only did Oak Hill qualify and advance to State, they got 10th!!

While some people may agree that Rensselaer had many opportunities to run with the "big boys" They were still in the AA division at New Prairie, which includes some good teams. Rensselaer could move up and run in the AAA division, and get it handed to them pretty well, getting anywhere from 10th-20th, to maybe learn a few lessons about running with the "big boys." Or they could stay in their division, and put up a valiant effort to go for the win in their division. Looking through the program I don't see their name very often in the winning column for the NP invite, so taking a shot at history for you school is probably more important to the athletes and coaches than learning a lesson in the AAA race.

[ask5614]

I believe i predicted that Tri-County girls would move on... oh wait they did...

[regionrunner21]

Predictions Actual

1. Chesterton 1. Chesterton
2. West Lafayette 2. Laporte
3. Valparaiso 3. West Lafayette
4. Laporte 4. Culver
5. Culver 5. Lake Central
6. Lake Central 6. Valparaiso
7. Crown Point 7. Crown Point
8. Rensselaer Central 8. Lowell
9. McCutcheon 9. Northfield
10. Northfield 10. Maconaquah
11. Maconaquah 11. Highland
12. Lafayette Jeff 12. New Prairie
13. Lowell 13. Lafayette Jeff
14. Highland 14. Western
15. New Prairie 15. Oak Hill
16. Rossville 16. Rensselaer Central
17. Benton Central 17. McCutcheon
18. Western 18. Munster
19. Munster 19. Benton Central
20. Oak Hill 20. Rossville


It's not pretty but still...

[WarriorXC09]

"Ask" and "Warrior" ought to have their privledges revoked for even mentioning that Rensselaer would advance. Seriously? Then they don't put obvious teams (CP and Lowell) in the top 10? Really? Do you guys know anything about running, the history of NW Indiana, or are you the same guys who touted Oak Hill to advance in years past? When did Renn. run with the "big boys" this year? Never. They had the chance to run up in several races but chose not to. If you're going to run with the big dogs in late October, you had better do it in mid-September too! Now, with the flu going around, it made the order of things a little more difficult. But Rennselaer?

they had the runners to be there. Their whole team obviously had a poor race and that hurt them dearly. And as for having my priviledges revoked, we are in a message board good sir....not the 5th grade

[XC92]

a number of people on rensaleear were sick, so its pretty tough to make it out with your top 3 under the weather when you don't have very much depth

[Run_4_Life]

I did a lot of looking up of runner's grades to see how things look for next year, based mainly off the results from yesterday.

Individuals

1. Dylan Harrison - Merrillville
2. Kyle Overway - Logansport
3. Mitch Hubner - LaPorte
4. Thomas Halpin - Chesterton
5. Zane Cooperider - WL
6. Jamie Dority - Clinton Prairie
7. Morgan Welsh - McCutcheon
8. Andrew Morris - Chesterton
9. Blake Lawson - New Prairie
10. Jake Baranowski - Highland
11. Jacob Bingham - Maconaquah
12. Austin Alcorn - LaPorte
13. Andrew Cartwright - WL
14. Caleb Augustus - Northfield
15. Trent Nagel - Rensselaer Central
16. Nicholas Wilczewski - LaPorte
17. Jacob Caddick - Merrillville
18. Taylor Bisacchi - Valparaiso
19. Blake Mills - Carroll, Flora
20. Manny Orlich - Chesterton
21. Joshua Hojnacki - LaPorte
22. Jesse McCallister - Lafayette Jefferson
23. Michael Bobos - Valparaiso
24. John Ribeiro - West Lafayette
25. Ryan Horner - Eastern, Greentown

There are many other individuals that maybe just had off days on this day as well. Also throw in Javier Vazquez of Frankfort, he was running very well until he wasn't allowed to compete anymore. I'm sure he'll be back with a chip on his shoulder next year.

As far as teams, it appears we will see familiar names at the top again.
Chesterton loses their #1 and #3 and #5 from the SS, but they return many key guys, and they have very good depth. They will probably be able to get a few guys to step it up next year.
LaPorte They only lose their #5 from this team, and their #6 was only 2 places behind him on Saturday. This could be the team to look out for next year.
West Lafayette West Lafayette loses their main Leader, Julian Jimenez-Corredor, but return 5 of their top 7, including 5 guys who all went Sub 17:00 at their sectional meet. They could be up their with LaPorte as the early season favorite.
Valparaiso Another team with a lot coming back, they only lose their #1 from their Semi-State team. They are a very deep team, and Aljobeh normally runs a lot better, and could be the leader of this team next year.

Those are the teams I see being up towards the front, or almost as [i]locks.[i]

Culver and Lake Central both only return 1 of their top 5. Crown Point loses all of their top 5.
Maconaquah should be a team to make some noise, as they return their entire top 5 from their 10th place finish.

Just a little preview of next year I suppose.

Hopefully the NPSS is represented well though at State, good luck to all teams and individuals competing Saturday!

[distancefan]

Do I understand this correctly? Chesterton girls would have advance to the state if their #1 runner had finished with the timing bracelet? Don't they have a secondary system in place in case the timing system fails or the bracelet falls off? I know a rule is a rule, but this one really bothers me. I thought the IHSAA doesn't allow runners to wear bracelets, anyway.

Again not taking anything away from Tri County. Awesome performance!!! Enjoy State!

[CountryBumpkin91]

Do I understand this correctly? Chesterton girls would have advance to the state if their #1 runner had finished with the timing bracelet? Don't they have a secondary system in place in case the timing system fails or the bracelet falls off? I know a rule is a rule, but this one really bothers me. I thought the IHSAA doesn't allow runners to wear bracelets, anyway.

Again not taking anything away from Tri County. Awesome performance!!! Enjoy State!

yes you understand it correctly, and no they do not have a secondary system. although they had all the runners wear numbers which they did absolutly nothing with and served no purpose that i could think of.

[DAC]

Do I understand this correctly? Chesterton girls would have advance to the state if their #1 runner had finished with the timing bracelet? Don't they have a secondary system in place in case the timing system fails or the bracelet falls off? I know a rule is a rule, but this one really bothers me. I thought the IHSAA doesn't allow runners to wear bracelets, anyway.

Again not taking anything away from Tri County. Awesome performance!!! Enjoy State!

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[distancefan]

http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/high-school/indiana/article_0af38c0b-6b68-56b1-9acd-5b9b3eceef97.html

So the newspaper has her placing 22nd, but since no timing chip was recorded, her place does not count!? I'm all for technology and the timing chip system is great for quick and "accurate?" results, but it should not be used as an end all in spite of reality. They could have easily had a video camera set up. After all this is semi-state!

[oldben]

http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/high-school/indiana/article_0af38c0b-6b68-56b1-9acd-5b9b3eceef97.html

So the newspaper has her placing 22nd, but since no timing chip was recorded, her place does not count!? I'm all for technology and the timing chip system is great for quick and "accurate?" results, but it should not be used as an end all in spite of reality. They could have easily had a video camera set up. After all this is semi-state!

I was told that they have video back up and it had her placed in 20th. I've also been told that Chesterton can appeal the dicision but personally I doubt that it will get overruled.

[friendorunningwriter]

Where do some of you people get your information? From bubble gum cards? Seriously ...

A) Yes, all runners wear numbers at a semistate in case the officials have to call an infraction and the runner must be identified.

B) Also, yes, there WAS a backup at New Prairie. A video camera recorded the finish IN CASE the chip system failed. The camera is to be used ONLY if the chips don't work. In that case the numbers worn by the runners are obviously very important.

C) The chips worked just fine. It was the runner who forgot to wear her chip that caused the problem. That is not the timing system's fault, the officials' fault, New Prairie's fault or the IHSAA's fault. The problem lies with the kid who didn't wear her chip.

D) Rule 9-6-5 from the official track & field and cross country rules book: "A competitor SHALL wear the assigned unaltered contestant number, when numbers are used, and computer chips when those devices are used in competition."

It doesn't say MAY wear them, it says SHALL wear them.

E) Look, of course, the kid didn't intend to forget her chip, and certainly there are a lot of people at the finish line who can tell you where she ran. There was no attempt to cheat, here.

But a RULE is a RULE. The fact you don't like it, or the fact it doesn't seem fair, doesn't change anything.

And guess what. If the kid had been wearing earrings and she got caught, she would have been disqualified and Chesterton would have suffered the same result. Now, do earrings hurt anybody? No. Would they change the way she ran? No. Is it a stupid rule? Yeah, I think so. But is it a rule? Most definitely: Yes.

You can't just say, Well, this is the rule, but it doesn't seem fair, so we won't enforce it today. You can't run a sport that way.

I feel sorry for the girl and I feel sorry for Chesterton. But stuff happens. That's life. Deal with it.