IndianaRunner

[badmojo]

Can Indiana Step Up? Is this the year to take Illinois down at NXN?

On the boys side, Nequa Valley, Loyola, and York look tough to beat. Can Columbus North's pack attack bust up the Illinois elite? Will Chesterton follow-up their state performance against the best of the Midwest? Will Carmel return to form? Is Verzbicas running at NTN? If so, how will Futsom respond? Can he get revenge on Wills?

On the girls side, it wpould seem that Carmel owes the Magnificat girls some payback from knocking them out of the NXN Nationals last year.

Pablo Prognosticator says...

Boys

1. Columbus North
2. Nequa Valley
3. Carmel
4. York
5. Loyola

Girls

1. Carmel

2. Magnificat

3. Palatine

4. Lee's Summit West

5. Franklin Central

6. Wheaton Warrenville South

7. Columbus North

[XCspectator]

Wow, that's some pressure you put on CN boys. It would mean a lot to the reputation of Indiana running to have CN beat the big three from Illinois.

But still no respect for the CN girls. After convincingly beating Carmel and FC by 82 and 87 points respectively you have CN girls finishing in 7th and Carmel first and FC fifth? Good thing you expanded your girl predictions to 7 places instead of stopping at 5 like the boys or CN girls wouldn't even have been mentioned. Unless injuries or illness strike I see no reason that CN's "pack" can't beat Carmel and FC again. And if you think carmel can beat the other top midwest teams then I have to say CN can too.

[badmojo]

I see the Carmel girls stepping up after their performance at State. No offense at all to the CN girls but I think that they are 3rd best in Indiana if everyone is healthy and on their game. I do think that the Indiana girls will perform well overall and represent.

CN boys have sold me. Theyve been solid all year. They remind me of Carmel last year only I don't think that Illinois is quite as dominant as they were last year so this may be a great chance for Indiana teams.

[guido]

CN is so solid, but i just cant see them rolling on nequa or loyola

those illinois teams are SICK

[NC8]

Futsum is not running NXN. He is going to Footlocker with four members of NC's team.

[Trembo3578]

It would be cool to see him run both.

Does anybody know if Lukas Verzbicas from Illinois is doing Footlocker, NXN, both, or neither? I remember people last year talking about how good of a freshman faceoff it would be for Futsum and Lukas but Lukas got injured. He supposedly averaged a 4:43/mile for the 3mile race to win the Illinois state championship by 21 seconds.

[Run_4_Life]

It would be cool to see him run both.

Does anybody know if Lukas Verzbicas from Illinois is doing Footlocker, NXN, both, or neither? I remember people last year talking about how good of a freshman faceoff it would be for Futsum and Lukas but Lukas got injured. He supposedly averaged a 4:43/mile for the 3mile race to win the Illinois state championship by 21 seconds.

Lukas ran 14:06 for the IL state championship, which is actually a 4:42 average. It would be pretty cool to see these two face off, I have faith in Futsum and the rest of IN, but Lukas is pretty beastly. I fully believe Futsum would give him a run for his money for sure. Also is Zach Wills from Mason(OH) running NXN?

[Trembo3578]

Place TmPl NAME SCHOOL CL TIME Pace
===== ==== ====================== ============================== == ===== =====
1. 1 Lukas Verzbicas Orland Park (Sandburg) So 14:07 4:43

That's what it said on the results. Maybe their program rounds up for minutes/mile no matter what.
Either way it's still fast. And Lukas might only be a sophomore but he is at least a year older than most sophomores.

Wills is supposedly running according to the entry list on the NXN thread.

[WarriorXC09]

I truly hope so....but realistically speaking, I'd say CN beating Neuqua Valley would be a pretty big upset. I don't meen to be a downer here, but just look at the results. Obviously course conditions/weather could mix up the results. York and Loyola looked very strong as well and could possibly beat Neuqua (they only lost state by 12 and 19 points respectivly, and at a large meet like Nike Midwest Regionals thats one or two kids with an off race) I might go out on a limb here to some but my pick is York for Nike Cross Regionals
Neuqua Valley @ Illinois State Championships
converted into 5k basing times off the 3mile races run by Illinois which would only be 0.1 more, about 25-40sec more depending on the finish, I will say 30sec for this
1. 14:31-15:01
2. 14:56-15:26
3. 15:05-15:35
4. 15:08-15:38
5. 15:10-15:40
CN PR's (as far as I know)
1. Evan Scruton 15:39
2. Andrew Diehn 15:46
3. Gabe Ocasio 15:51
4. Christopher Kelsey 15:55
5. Corbin Brooks 16:06
As you can see it does not look good on paper.....however, I know as well as you do that in XC, anything can happen, and I wish CN, and Carmel, good luck

[HCxc15]

I truly hope so....but realistically speaking, I'd say CN beating Neuqua Valley would be a pretty big upset. I don't meen to be a downer here, but just look at the results. Obviously course conditions/weather could mix up the results. York and Loyola looked very strong as well and could possibly beat Neuqua (they only lost state by 12 and 19 points respectivly, and at a large meet like Nike Midwest Regionals thats one or two kids with an off race) I might go out on a limb here to some but my pick is York for Nike Cross Regionals
Neuqua Valley @ Illinois State Championships
converted into 5k basing times off the 3mile races run by Illinois which would only be 0.1 more, about 25-40sec more depending on the finish, I will say 30sec for this
1. 14:31-15:01
2. 14:56-15:26
3. 15:05-15:35
4. 15:08-15:38
5. 15:10-15:40
CN PR's (as far as I know)
1. Evan Scruton 15:39
2. Andrew Diehn 15:46
3. Gabe Ocasio 15:51
4. Christopher Kelsey 15:55
5. Corbin Brooks 16:06
As you can see it does not look good on paper.....however, I know as well as you do that in XC, anything can happen, and I wish CN, and Carmel, good luck

While I would by no means say that CN will beat NV, Detweiler Park(the state course for Illinois) is notoriously quick and flat. Guys run outrageous times on there every year. It will be much much closer than it looks on paper from that conversion.

[NikeRunner27]

Does anybody know what kind of times Futsum, Chris Walden, Tyler Byrne, David Osborn, ect. would be running in the 3 Mile (not 5k) race. What is a good time for the 3 mile? I saw Illinois State Meet and saw Lukas Verzbicas ran 14:07 which is pretty impressive (4:43 pace) but I'm curious as to what some Indiana guys could do in that type of race. Yes, I know it's only a .1 more but still just wondering.

[2pro-brosefstalin]

Ocasio's PR is 15:40 i believe.

[NikeRunner27]

Ocasio's PR is 15:40 i believe.

What meet did Ocasio's run this 15:40? Remember exactly what meet?

[IRreader]

Ocasio's PR is 15:40 i believe.

What meet did Ocasio's run this 15:40? Remember exactly what meet?

6 #547 Gabe Ocasio 11 Columbus North HS 5:02.9 15:40.96 6

Artesian Classic

[WarriorXC09]

Does anybody know what kind of times Futsum, Chris Walden, Tyler Byrne, David Osborn, ect. would be running in the 3 Mile (not 5k) race. What is a good time for the 3 mile? I saw Illinois State Meet and saw Lukas Verzbicas ran 14:07 which is pretty impressive (4:43 pace) but I'm curious as to what some Indiana guys could do in that type of race. Yes, I know it's only a .1 more but still just wondering.

This is what I think they COULD possibly run all at peak heath, on a good day, on a flat, fast course. By the way... no one will beat Verzbicas...Futsum and/or Wills might be close 3-10 sec, but that kid is bad fast. Another two kids to look for perhaps in NXN or Fl are Craig Lutz, and Sam Pons...those two are doing very well this year
Futsum: 14:32
Walden: 14:50
Byrne: 14:38
Osborn: 14:50
Heres a few more: just for kicks
O'Herren: 14:49
Ohlman: 14:59
Arroyo: 15:05
Hoard: 15:05
Vicenzi: 14:48
Zach Wills, Mason: 14:20

[CountryBumpkin91]

Does anybody know what kind of times Futsum, Chris Walden, Tyler Byrne, David Osborn, ect. would be running in the 3 Mile (not 5k) race. What is a good time for the 3 mile? I saw Illinois State Meet and saw Lukas Verzbicas ran 14:07 which is pretty impressive (4:43 pace) but I'm curious as to what some Indiana guys could do in that type of race. Yes, I know it's only a .1 more but still just wondering.

This is what I think they COULD possibly run all at peak heath, on a good day, on a flat, fast course. By the way... no one will beat Verzbicas...Futsum and/or Wills might be close 3-10 sec, but that kid is bad fast. Another two kids to look for perhaps in NXN or Fl are Craig Lutz, and Sam Pons...those two are doing very well this year
Futsum: 14:32
Walden: 14:50
Byrne: 14:38
Osborn: 14:50
Heres a few more: just for kicks
O'Herren: 14:49
Ohlman: 14:59
Arroyo: 15:05
Hoard: 15:05
Vicenzi: 14:48
Zach Wills, Mason: 14:20

are you getting these times from their pr's or just using pr's for some of them and making the rest up? and no love for joe rosa?

[Upnorthxc]

Illinois has a powerful trio this year however I have faith in our Indiana runners. I think they can step it up. As much as I hate to admit it Carmel is not the team to represent Indiana this year. The Bulldogs seem like they actually have what it takes to make it out though. Well here are my Rankings (Not predictions as I realize several of these people wont be running)

Team
1. York
2. Columbus North
3. Nequa Valley
4. Carmel
5. Chesterton
6. Mason


Individuals
1. Lukas Verzbicas
2. Zach Wills
3. Futsum Zeinasellassie
4. Jack Driggs
5. Nick Composto
6. Chris Walden
7. Andrew Smith
8. Scott Vincenzi
9. Aaron Beattie
10. James Martin
11. Kyle Wheeler
12. Tyler Byrne
13. David Osborn
14. Jack Seeberg
15. Tom Ohlman
16. Connor Paez
17. Andrew Diehn
18. Chris Spudic
19. Anthony Manfrin
20. Brad Liston
21. Jace Lowry
22. Jason Crist
23. Michael Scolarici
24. David Wing
25. Evan Scruton

[Logic_Runner]

Team
1. York
2. Columbus North
3. Nequa Valley
4. Carmel
5. Chesterton
6. Mason

hmm no loyola?

[HCxc15]

Illinois has a powerful trio this year however I have faith in our Indiana runners. I think they can step it up. As much as I hate to admit it Carmel is not the team to represent Indiana this year. The Bulldogs seem like they actually have what it takes to make it out though. Well here are my Rankings (Not predictions as I realize several of these people wont be running)

Team
1. York
2. Columbus North
3. Nequa Valley
4. Carmel
5. Chesterton
6. Mason


Individuals
1. Lukas Verzbicas
2. Zach Wills
3. Futsum Zeinasellassie
4. Jack Driggs
5. Nick Composto
6. Chris Walden
7. Andrew Smith
8. Scott Vincenzi
9. Aaron Beattie
10. James Martin
11. Kyle Wheeler
12. Tyler Byrne
13. David Osborn
14. Jack Seeberg
15. Tom Ohlman
16. Connor Paez
17. Andrew Diehn
18. Chris Spudic
19. Anthony Manfrin
20. Brad Liston
21. Jace Lowry
22. Jason Crist
23. Michael Scolarici
24. David Wing
25. Evan Scruton

Loyola is probably the best team from Illinois. They drubbed York earlier on and with Composto running well at the state meet, they would have won. As for the dude with top individuals, the Rosas are both very good with Joe being the co-favorite along with Verzbicas right now. He's been setting records all year. And the 3-mile times are just guesses and not really worthwhile. It's hard to compare but I'd say those Flashrock 15:20ish times would be worth 14:40ish at Detweiler or around there, but that too is just a worthless guess. A guy named Watchout on dyestat.com has some decent conversions on a lot of courses for speed ratings and the such.

[IRreader]

The top 4 in some order will be Nequa, Loyola, York and CN. Loyola is probably the best of the 4.

[Logic_Runner]

As for the dude with top individuals, the Rosas are both very good with Joe being the co-favorite along with Verzbicas right now. He's been setting records all year.

I thought the Rosas were on east coast somewhere?

[HCxc15]

As for the dude with top individuals, the Rosas are both very good with Joe being the co-favorite along with Verzbicas right now. He's been setting records all year.

I thought the Rosas were on east coast somewhere?

He said another two to look for are Craig Lutz and Sam Pons at NXN or FLN. I was referring to that. They are from West Windsor Plainsboro North I think in NJ and have set records at the famous Holmdel and Van Cortlandt Park courses.

[WarriorXC09]

Does anybody know what kind of times Futsum, Chris Walden, Tyler Byrne, David Osborn, ect. would be running in the 3 Mile (not 5k) race. What is a good time for the 3 mile? I saw Illinois State Meet and saw Lukas Verzbicas ran 14:07 which is pretty impressive (4:43 pace) but I'm curious as to what some Indiana guys could do in that type of race. Yes, I know it's only a .1 more but still just wondering.

This is what I think they COULD possibly run all at peak heath, on a good day, on a flat, fast course. By the way... no one will beat Verzbicas...Futsum and/or Wills might be close 3-10 sec, but that kid is bad fast. Another two kids to look for perhaps in NXN or Fl are Craig Lutz, and Sam Pons...those two are doing very well this year
Futsum: 14:32
Walden: 14:50
Byrne: 14:38
Osborn: 14:50
Heres a few more: just for kicks
O'Herren: 14:49
Ohlman: 14:59
Arroyo: 15:05
Hoard: 15:05
Vicenzi: 14:48
Zach Wills, Mason: 14:20

are you getting these times from their pr's or just using pr's for some of them and making the rest up? and no love for joe rosa?

The answer is: I have no idea if these are PR's, I am just posting what I think they COULD run.
You are correct Rosa is very good as well and could possibly win FL or NXN, if he can take down Verzbicas

[Jim]

Kid, i think that it is cool that you are obviously into cross country. some of your ideas are out there...